tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29701096.post5612728004694613637..comments2023-10-30T08:55:18.553+01:00Comments on SOA and EDA: The marriage of BPM and SaaSJack van Hoofhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10073941747649739657noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29701096.post-6466288156256757152008-04-07T17:46:00.000+02:002008-04-07T17:46:00.000+02:00Jack,There are already a number of BPA and BPMS ve...Jack,<BR/><BR/>There are already a number of BPA and BPMS vendors active around SAAS. BEA is actually a bit late...<BR/><BR/>BPA (Business Process Analysis) combined with SAAS definitely makes sense: why install a complex product (including desktop tooling) to create process models, if you can do it via a browser on a hosted platform? <BR/>Everytime I do consulting work for a customer I am struggling with the choice: either to wait 2 - 3 weeks before I get access to a desktop with process modelling (BPA) tools or work from my laptop not able to connect to a netwerk. The result: many consultants work in Visio, Powerpoint, etc. - not very optimal. <BR/>A SAAS BPA tool would allow us to quickly model processes, share them easily with other stakeholders and some tools even allow for collaborative modelling (people logging in together, creating process models together at the same time).<BR/><BR/>For instance see:<BR/>Lombardi Blueprint - http://www.lombardisoftware.com/bpm-blueprint-product.php<BR/><BR/>Appian Anywhere - http://www.appian.com/product/anywhere.jsp<BR/><BR/>I am actually surprised that IDS-Scheer has not started something like this (but then again, they might like selling licenses better...)<BR/><BR/>Now for BPMS, e.g. process execution to go SAAS, I think there is still quite some work to do. Sure - simple workflow execution (tasks, inbox) could be done through SAAS. <BR/>And some companies might go for SAAS BPA, to export the models through XPDL and then load them up in BPMS to enhance with services and execute as BPEL.<BR/><BR/>But full blown integration centric BPMS? SOA through the firewall? Not sure if companies are ready for that in Holland....<BR/>But sometimes it happens - when an outsourcing company does the hosting: http://www.cordys.com/cordyscms_com/starthrmportal.php<BR/><BR/>Regards, <BR/>Roeland LoggenRoeland Loggenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02744153944427657174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29701096.post-81628893053826256842008-04-05T13:34:00.000+02:002008-04-05T13:34:00.000+02:00Hi Martin,I really appreciate your contribution. I...Hi Martin,<BR/><BR/>I really appreciate your contribution. I love it when people share their visionary thoughts on this kind of subjects. I'll dive into it as soon as I can.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/>JackJack van Hoofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10073941747649739657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29701096.post-4792440864773360042008-04-05T12:08:00.000+02:002008-04-05T12:08:00.000+02:00Hi Jack,I found your blog recently and really like...Hi Jack,<BR/><BR/>I found your blog recently and really like to read about your experiences, your thoughts and your ideas. <BR/><BR/>I studied at HPI in Potsdam/Germany, which has a quite strong BPM chair. I wrote my master's thesis recently about a topic similar to the one that you describe and just wanted to post a link to my thesis here in case you are interested. <BR/><BR/>The topic of the thesis is "Value-Added Service Brokerage -<BR/>Description of an Architecture for Brokering and Delivering Value-Added Services<BR/>Using Internet and Web as Delivery Platform". It basically describes how value-added services can be modelled and executed that make use of services provided by the company-internal SOA, by partners or SaaS vendors and that are delivered to end-users via a user interface. We used a BPMN dialect for modelling the services and cross-cutting concerns like payments. Kind of academic but still interesting to read.<BR/><BR/>Thesis: http://www.breest.com/servicebroker/Thesis-Martin_Breest-Value-Added_Service_Brokerage.pdf<BR/>Broker:<BR/>http://www.breest.com/servicebroker/servicebroker.htm<BR/>Vision Paper from Barros/Dumas: http://www.bpm.fit.qut.edu.au/projects/serveco/documents/12-05-WP-WebServiceEcosystems-Barros-Dumas.pdf<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/>MartinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com